38 special ammo 3d drawing
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| Way back in the lxx'southward as a newly minted Idaho certified constabulary officer in a small rural farming community we dealt with 3-D Co., Inc out of Doniphan, Nebraska for our 38 spl practice rounds. We would ship them k brass and they, for a price of course, would send us dorsum m loaded with 158 grn swaged lswc's. At one point I was fooling effectually with a RCBS rockchucker and ended up ownership 2000 bullets from them. Fast frontwards to December 2012 and I only started reloading 38'due south with these bullets I take lugged around for all these decades! I have been reloading for several years but only for my 9mm's and 45acp'south. So now I am taking my M27 and M66 revolvers out of mothballs and will set upward my chrono to come across how this works out. Using CCI 500 primers with oal of 1.448, I accept loaded 12 rounds each of Unique at 4.0, four.3, 4.half dozen and five.0 grains on my Lee archetype turret press. In researching load data I get all kinds of unlike opinions on the amount of this pulverization to use, but most who load with this type bullet and Unique like v.0 grains. We will run into how this works! |
12-23-2012, 01:48 AM 
Dug out the old 3-D 38 special bullets... 
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| I use v.0 with cast 158 SWC in all loads except for an old heirloom M36 of my buddies that gets iv.v. Both are grin makers, they merely piece of work great. __________________ |
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| I kind of miss 3D. They went out of business eons agone. I used to load a lot of their swaged 230 gr 45 ACP bullets for IPSC matches. |
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| Sounds similar yous are right on target with your loads. |
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| Your mail brings dorsum old memories. My department used 3-D too, merely nosotros used the 148 grain WC load. We never returned the brass, and most was thrown away. I still take buckets of the mixed head stamp iii-D brass. I like 5 grains of Unique with a cast 158 grain SWC in K, 50, or N frames. In my sometime model 60 I use four.3-iv.5 grains of Unique with a swaged 158 SWC. The matter I remembered nearly the iii-D ammo was that it leaded bad. Regards |
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| Memories here, also. I used quite a bit of 38 Special 3D in the 70s --- shooting steel. |
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| I too shot 3D's in the 1970's. However, for PPC competition I shot |
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| John P., I am wondering near the leading trouble, I cannot remember if we had much outcome with information technology back then. What I need to exercise is reload more of each powder charge, plenty to show me what each does to the barrel with these bullets, so pick the one with the least lead buildup. |
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| Nice to hear from others that remember 3D! Kinda dates united states though! |
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| I notwithstanding accept a "souvenir." Joe __________________ |
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| Quote: Originally Posted by cellllman John P., I am wondering most the leading problem, I cannot recollect if we had much upshot with it back then. What I need to do is reload more of each powder charge, enough to show me what each does to the butt with these bullets, and then pick the ane with the least lead buildup. I qualified with a four inch model 13, a 4 inch 686, a ii.5 inch 66, and a 2 inch 60. This was back in 1986 until early on 1989, when I switched to the first 5906 I could get my hands on. I would have connected to acquit the revolvers, but I got on SWAT, and we were required to acquit a 59, 459, or 1 of the and so new 5900 series. Our duty rounds were the Federal .357 magnum 125 gr. JHP load, a Remington 125 gr. plus P if one carried a .38 Special, and the Winchester 115 gr. Silverish Tip in 9MM. We used a 60 round course, and those that liked to shoot were able to grab a box or two to plink with after the qualification course. I normally shot an extra box, and then after the 110 rounds in that location was quite a bit of leading to make clean. I forgot if we used the 148 DEWC or the HBWC, but they did lead. If the old 3D bullets yous have are swaged, endeavor Lee Alox on them if they lead at the higher charges of Unique. When I use the swaged Hornady bullets, I use the Alox with expert results. My favorite load is still a cast (commonly the economic 158 grain SWC-Bevel Base) over v grains of Unique. Skillful luck and all-time regards Last edited by John P.; 12-26-2012 at eleven:16 PM. |
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| I still have a few boxes of the 3-D armament somewhere. Lyman cast bullet handbook shows a +P .38 Special load as 5.3 grains of Unique backside a 158 grain SWC. Their "standard" load is 5.0 grains of Unique. |
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| I have settled on 5.0grs of Unique as the max +p load in my snub nose for best accuracy and recoil for this revolver.....a 5.55ft/lb recoil is plenty for me in this light 38. in my 686 6" I take gone all the way upwardly to 5.5grs in a 38 spl hull that puts out around 1015fps merely it may over penetrate and in the vi" mag. 4.0grs of Reddot puts out 890fps and is a tac driver !! |
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| Pharmer after looking at your picture show I went downwardly to my reloading area. I accept i box of iii-D 38's. I took them out to try,worked practiced for me. I was given these by a friend who has passed on, he was a state officer,and thay did not use 38's any more. The box has most xviii rounds left and I just could not use up the last of his shells. |
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| Yes, they are swaged. Thanks for the info on the alox, never heard of it before. |
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| Here'due south another oldtimer who memory got jogged by your post. I loaded many rounds with 3-D .38 wadcutters back in the 1970'due south. |
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| I'd like to see a pic of the 3D bullets. __________________ |
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| Quote: Originally Posted by doc540 I'd like to see a pic of the 3D bullets. They look like any other LSWC bullet, although the case is marked 125grLSWC not 158. I used to pay effectually $70/g with contumely commutation around 20 yrs agone. Joe __________________ |
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| I judge this is going to exist a blast from the past in a couple of ways. An old thread resuscitated...and I found these for sale nigh 2 weeks ago. Per the old request, here is a picture of the wadcutters. By the way, these are yet available. I but bought 7 boxes and think I will buy 7 more - they are cheap for these days. Apparently they plant a pallet-full of these all the same in the original boxes. I don't know that I am allowed to post a vendor's location, so if anyone is interested, PM me and I'll send you the link. Last edited past jmace57; 03-21-2014 at 07:l PM. |
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| Ah... 3-D! I remember 3-D! Ever was good ammo for me. For loading 158 gr. atomic number 82 bullets, Skeeter Skelton recommended v.0 gr. w/ whatever .38 Special casing and whatever small pistol primer was on hand. I've been using it for over 30 years. It has worked well in all my revolvers. __________________ |
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| I used to load and shoot their 200 gr copper coated LSWC .45 ACP bullets. The coating wasn't a jacket, I'grand guessing information technology was plated several thousandths thick. I as well loaded and shot thousands of their pulled 125 gr .38 JHP and Nyclad bullets. I saved a few with the cannelures in the wrong place, and one is "hollow pointed" backwards; the exposed lead is at the base of operations and they tried to put a hollow betoken in what was supposed to take been the jacketed bullet base, the flat bottom of the bullet. They were, afterward all, pulled bullets. |
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| Many years agone I bought some ammo from "Longs" drug shop for the .357 magnum and they had some 3D 110gr Jhp that was the most accurate 110 ammo that I have ever shot out of my six inch magnums. That ammo hanging from the white plastic was sort of a new thing dorsum so. I don't run across that whatsoever more........ in the ammo I purchase. later. |
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| A bunch - as in pallet loads - of 3D recently showed up at the LGS, Vance Outdoors. They're selling it for $15 a box equally "Wadcutter Police Merchandise" rounds. |
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| I was stationed in Washington DC in the '70's and I won an auction for 700 pounds of five.56 contumely from Aberdeen APG Md. I cleaned the brass in my bath tub and boxed information technology up and sent it to 3-D and told them to pay me it's worth in loaded 5.56 ammo. I got dorsum 4,000 rounds of 5.56 in fifty round boxes. I think I sold it all at gun shows for $ten a box... maybe it was $5.. anyhow I made money on the deal! __________________ |
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| If it wasnt for 3-D and Zero make reloads I dubiety I wouldve got hooked on shooting. From the early to late ninety's I shot thousands of their .38, .357 and 9mm usely for only $3.99 to about ten bucks a box. Very, very seldom a squab round like gunshow majority reloads. |
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| I remember them too, mostly for the fume . |
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| Price has been reduced from $xv to $11/box for the 3D wadcutters mentioned a few months ago. (Sportsman'south Outdoor Superstore) Final edited by jmace57; 07-11-2014 at 10:55 PM. |
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| How hard were 3D bullets? |
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| Quote: Originally Posted by jmace57 Price has been reduced from $15 to $eleven/box for the 3D wadcutters mentioned a few months ago. (Sportsman's Outdoor Superstore) Thanks for the heads up. At $.22/rd., it's a nickle cheaper than any other .38 Spl. whatever of the ammo search engines find. Next cheapest is $.27/rd. and that's case price for Georgia Artillery. __________________ |
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| A shooting buddy sold me all his remaining stock of Primary Lucifer police and PPC ammo from his deputy days in the 70s. The ammo was nigh fifty-50 148 gr LHBC and 158 gr LSWC. I shot a lot of it at steel matches until the friction match director complained it was so slow the bullets were bouncing off the steel. Chief Match was HQed in Indianapolis and also catered to the police trade. I could nonetheless buy 3-D ammo in the early 90s but information technology was gone by Y2K. __________________ |
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| I still have some 3D hbwc bullets that I purchased years ago. They are practiced bullets, but no better than those fabricated by other manufacturers today. |
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| My order from Sportsmans got here today (shipped quick- ordered late Friday nighttime, arrived this morning) and the ammo looks like adept stuff. It'due south all make clean nickel, I counted nigh a dozen different headstamps. __________________ |
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| When I was in higher I scrimped and saved and purchased a used nickel model 10 w/a heavy barrel (didn't pay attention to dash numbers at that time) at a shop in Santa Iron, NM. Wasn't my start mitt-gun, but was the first one that wasn't junk and worked. The but ammo I could afford was 3D. My recollection was that it was similar shooting a black-powder pistol. Smoky equally heck! I retrieve a day out past the dumpy area where people tossed junk and busted (or stolen) cars and shot at them. I was shooting at a big tire; it took several rounds for me to realize this tire was bouncing the 3D .38s all over the identify. Like the young idiot that I was, I traded that Model ten and some cash for a factory refurbished MPCD Glock 17. I still go mad at myself for that. Me and that Model ten had lots of fun and did lots of wandering around. Ah well, non the biggest mistake I've fabricated, just one that really bothers me. |
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| Human being, that 3-D ammo has some hellacious amount of crimp on it! |
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| Quote: Originally Posted by Black_Talon Man, that 3-D ammo has some hellacious amount of crimp on it! It sure does!! Those swaged bullets will get swaged again getting out of the case. __________________ |
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| I dunno, I'yard no reloader but it doesn't really expect similar much, if any, more crimp than factory 148s have. __________________ |
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| Anyone run the 3D 148 gn wadcutters through a chronograph? I'm curious how they stack upward confronting Blazer 158gn LRN. 38 Special #3522 158 LRN barrel-4V ETA: Fired alternating 158 LRN/148 WC out of a half dozen" HE and the Blazer had more popular. __________________ Last edited by Nicksterdemus; 07-17-2014 at 02:26 PM. |
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| Like many other posters, 3-D was about all I could afford when starting out. Certain, they were a little dirty and required a bit to make clean-up, but they were a lot improve than near gave them credit for. Other guys would express mirth when I told them what I was reloading/shooting, only I cleaned many a 25yd target with them. I bribe-rested them out of my Lou Ciamillo-built Mod.ten-5 PPC gun at l yards, and they shot 1.82(w)x2.44(h) for 24 rds, with the 2 fliers opening the group to 2.82". They were a expert value - if they were even so in concern, I'd notwithstanding be ownership them...... 2.9 gr. WW231, Fed100 primer, Fed example, iii-D HBWC Last edited past RWJ; 07-19-2014 at 04:02 PM. |
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